Phil: fight reaction reaction flight and so by this activating the pair synthetic, by merging the feeling and thinking faculties within your body, it balances you. That's the beauty of life because if you can get balanced... One of my favorite quotes of all time is a quote by a man named Paul Twitchell it's "thinking without feeling brings about woes and feeling without thinking brings grief". That means if you if you like Hamlet oh what was me. He's consternated in thought. That's because he's just all in his mind he needs to get in touch with his body and feel and get connected. If you're grieving something is because you know the only reason you're grieving is because you think your world is ending, because of it's all mental. You need a structure, mental structure to let you know that it's not the end of the world, it's just an experience. It's just an experience. Time and space are just actually a myth. There is no time and space there's only the now. There's only you and it's it's a and but you know people believe what they want to believe and they don't believe what they don't want to believe.

that's a quote by dr. Andrew, while he was giving a talk to a group of doctors... and he said that... our you know... because doctors are taught in medical school... this is just one example... that a certain drug will help a certain condition. later on, ten years later, it's proven that the drug has no effect on helping that condition. But the doctors continue to prescribe it. It's because they believe what they want to believe and they don't believe what they don't want to believe. Now. That's all of us, me, me too. So my belief is that I don't believe in anything. As a matter of fact, there's nothing I don't believe, and there's nothing I believe. Because every time you're for or against anything, you lock yourself into duality. When you're locked in duality then you exile yourself from a state of freedom that could be yours. So the Relax Sauna helps you realize these things. It gets you mellow, it gets you connected with yourself, it gets you into a state where you can just be with you.

Being in the Relax Sauna, according to those in Taiwan, is like being in the presence of a chi gong master. You've all heard of the hot springs in southern Japan... where warriors in ancient days would go after battle to get healed. The Relax Sauna was created because a Japanese company said to this Taiwan company, that manufacturers the Relax Sauna, and it took ten years to figure out how to do it, can you make an electrical machine that brings to this earth, to this planet, the energy that people experience when they go to these hot springs. So whether you call it a chi energy or whatever, they had an Ah ha. I don't even think the company that makes the Relax Sauna realizes what Ah ha they had, but you know, it's like they either had spiritual masters, or angels or someone helping them. The discovery that they made to create the Relax Sauna, to differentiate between any other sauna out there, I believe is as big as the jump from Edison to Tesla. There's a huge huge something that comes out of that sauna... I've not experienced in any other sauna. Some of the other saunas are very very nice. No question about it.

You can go on the internet and find a hundred different saunas that people say "I really like it". But I have a whole lot of people who've been in other sauna, and say I've been into 10 different wooden saunas, there's nothing that makes me feel better. This is my favorite sauna.

Phil (responding to un-decipherable question from audience): Well, it has dry but the water it it has a communication with your water cells. It pulsates them. One lady at a conference she says 'where's the water coming from'... I said 'you'... it's from you.

We had uh Karen Russell she was a geriontologist, she works with older people helping them become healthy. This is in 2007. She was at a medical conference that I was at, and she was talking to dr. Doris Rapp who I've known for a long time. She wrote a book called Our Toxic World. It's a wonderful book she's a children's medical doctor who at one time was normal. Then and then you know (she became) not normal... when you find out about alternative medicine. So in that sense... but so she's been for 20 30 40 50 years promoting alternative medicine to doctors and how to treat children, so she said to Karen Russell go see Phil I think he's got a sauna you can use. So she got one. In two months she wrote to the company (Momentum98) she says I've had heavy metal toxicity for two and a half years. My blood reports came back and for the first time I don't have... you know my mercury and my lead are normal for the first time in two and a half years, and I feel so much better. I lost 65% of my cellulite my skin looks really really pretty.

I'd be rich if I had a dollar for every person who told me how pretty their skin looked after using the Relax Sauna. One man in Connecticut had psoriasis real bad. He said it went all away in about six weeks. He said a little bit came back... it's not a cure-all, cuz sometimes there's emotional... God knows what kind of problems we have deep inside... you know... massage therapists says 'do you have any issues in your tissues'... and and so you know what it is it's the depth. It's the depth. I can give you information and it can be true, but you have to realize depth of it. I and others I can't prove anything to you... even if you can follow a mathematical geometric proof of how to get from where to where, if you don't see the picture of it you don't get it... and so when we're talking in this language, unless you have the experience and you know like the depth of understanding a particular... like the secrets of the moon... I mean you may uncover... like all put all of Plato's writings are written he says or someone said on like seven different levels and so you can understand something on one level and think you understand it and then all of a sudden two years later after you go through hell and you read it so oh wow a whole new level of understanding see that there's no no matter who you are on this planet even the great saviors the great you know the great beings who've come to this planet to to help Souls realize who they are, they is always a plus factor in their spiritual growth. There's always a plus factor.

I thought at one time well he's perfect. Well what if you were perfect, then life wouldn't be any fun... there'd be no challenge. So there's always a plus factor. When from this world you go to another world in another world it's there you know, as a matter of fact there is no beginning and there is no ending there's only the eternal now there's only now all this you know... reincarnation is extremely clumsy way of explaining that everything's happening at the same time.

It's all happening now. This is sort of brought out in the movie The Peaceful Warrior, Dan Millman's movie. There's a scene of death. So nothing's happening now but basically in it and again you know... I've had some wonderful experiences. I'm not there yet and in a sense, it's funny you it is almost impossible to be there but at the same time it's the duality you are and you're not and in the duality of everything it's beautiful it's like you know when you realize you are it and at the same time you're not it... it's like can you live and to see we live in two worlds. Did you know that? You live in two worlds. You all have your inner world. Do you live in that? Is the world you live in? That's the world where you find freedom and then we all share this outer world. It's so weird the truth is so stranger than fiction could ever be... you know that... and you have to have a sense of humor in the sense of irony you have to laugh because if you didn't laugh you would cry... see you just have to laugh at the craziness of all the shenanigans we have to go through to get to get to where we are so now...

I'm gonna talk more about far infrared ray energy. I get off on tangents. I have fun because I like to weave everything in. This is when I'm at my best because, there's a little bit of structure there not enough to tie me in. The far infrared energy, I explained the three things... it's speed of light, it goes through cloths, and it's reflected by a mirror. That's why that sauna works so well. Those are the principles of it because people don't understand. iThis is made in Taiwan. Ninety four percent of the world's semiconductor chips are made in Taiwan. It's a computer program. Like a computer, if it didn't have a fan it wouldn't stay on. It would get too hot. the chips get hot... so the chips in there get hot. Because they get hot you have a fan blow it off so the chips so continues to generate the energy and the Relax Sauna you always have the far-infrared going... always on. Other saunas if you have a temperature control and it goes off then you have a period of time when there's none (far-infrared) going on.

Phil (talking to a sauna user): okay how do you feel. great any

Phil (un-descernable question from audience member): yeah.. yeah yeah... yeah huh-huh um... maybe you just need some minerals... it could be... it's like my wife would always be telling me, 'do minerals do minerals' and then every so often I would wake up with leg cramps I said okay it's time for me to do minerals you know. I think I'm getting most of my minerals out of my green juices and my drinks and all my supplements and my Chinese herbs but... yep, and so then I'll take I'll start doing a mineral formula you know... yeah a lot of times you do get some of the good minerals that leave too... but the main thing is you are getting the you know good and bad, you are getting the the heavy metals out to like the lead the mercury at the cadmium the aluminum all those things go out and and again it's it's um...

Phil (addressing whole audience again): I was talking a little bit about EMF earlier about it being you know the you know it just you know people people are really really concerned. I mean so many when I go to these health conferences where people have been using saunas for years I get the question what about near infrared and far infrared... what about full spectrum, infrared what about EMF, and you know and I just... I just have to get in the moment and love them anyway and love the questions and love the attacks... it's like pure far infrared ray is what is what Cherie Rogers talks about in her book. There is so much research into far infrared ray energy. If you go back and do the research and you find out that it helps the mitochondria create ATP... and that creates nitric oxide the man who probably has one of the the best nitric oxide products on the marketplace has recently bought five saunas from me and I asked him well does does far infrared energy generate, you know, activate the mitochondria? He said yes... and he went on and explained it and yet you know people who promote near infrared ray saunas say near and fred does this and far does not! and I said wait a second! So again it's like you know people, you know, in the past would say 'well i know it's true i read it in a book' and now... 'oh i know it's true i saw it on the internet' and so... but that's what i was going back to again.

I don't believe anything and there's nothing I don't believe okay so in other words like you go by your own experiences. If you believe someone who says something you know it's so easy just to believe them they look like they know what they're talking about you know and finally you just do it. Do your homework and do your research...

Phil (addressing sauna users again): good good good no

Phil (taking audience questions): It's like one-and-a-half kilowatts 1400 watts so usually so if you do it for a whole hour it's one-and-a-half kilowatts and usually kilowatts at ten eleven twelve fifteen cents an hour yeah so it'll cost you ten cents for a session you know maybe four dollars a month yeah not much at all... yes yes four times in my life I have joined gyms not once did I exercise in the gym. I love saunas. I loved sweating I used to sweat playing basketball. I used to sweat playing handball, I used to sweat playing baseball or softball, I loved sweating. That makes me feel so invigorated so I joined gyms to sweat.

When I saw a cheaper sauna at a conference at a medical spa conference one of my suppliers who sells me massage tools because I've had a health food store since 1980 and I sell lots of massage tools. I was inducted into the world massage Festival Hall of Fame for massage therapist and I've never charged for a massage in my life but, I've promoted massage and that (pointing at the Relax Sauna) is the best massage tool in the world because it massages every cell in the body... but I have about a hundred different massage tools that I sell so I saw that sauna... I said wow I cannot believe you can have a sauna in your home, oh my gosh is this for real? I have to pinch myself you know one of those aha a year later I finally decided I could afford it because I didn't have much money back then and so I bought it and I used it for a year and loved it. and love didn't loved it I'd get in I take the junky chair out and I'd sit in there and after 55 minutes I'd have a great sweat it took me 18 minutes to start sweating almost like clockwork and 55 minutes to have a sweat that I felt was good. yes... yeah... however!

I got a phone call from Taiwan... and they said our sauna is is more advanced technologically and it works better than the one you're selling on the internet. I said okay how much is it and we said okay and they sent me one and oh my gosh the difference was incredible and in this sauna it takes me eight minutes max to sweat this morning three minutes the matter of a guy to complete sweat in 12 minutes and usually it takes me 15 to 18 to 20 maximum 22 minutes to have an incredible sweat and you feel so much better than I did in the other one. yes... (long in-audible question from the audience) I will on 'spa day for Phil' I'll do it for 18 to 20 minutes I'll drink water before I'll get out I'll drink some water three four minutes later I'll go back in sometimes I'll take a shower usually not... not lately and I'll do another 15-20 minutes sweat and have an incredible sweat and I'll get out and then I'll I'm surprised I'll drink 16-ounce usually 32 ounces of water and then I'll do it again and I call that spa day for Phil because when I come back I either meditate or go to sleep and when I come back I feel like I'm in top of the world. I can handle anything coming at me see because you can handle the stress or you can handle you're in a state of no stress so the more centered you are the more you can handle things the more you know how to respond see respond comes from responsibility when you react you react out of ignorance but you respond out of a recent being in a responsible position so when I was in the the Relax Sauna you know for eight for 18 minutes for a complete sweat just a complete sweat and and then you also recognize there's that your energy level is way different it's like it's sort of magical and so a lot of times...

I mean we sell a lot of saunas to the people who've had other saunas before and I said hey, don't feel guilty you paid your dues I had to pay my dues by getting a cheaper sauna first that I loved some people said they throw them away they're junkie they don't work we had one lady got one man got a there's a new sauna out the sells for seven or eight hundred dollars you know that has tourmaline discs in it and he ordered one of those and then saw ours and then he ordered ours and said I'm just gonna get them both because this one looks better and he was in another sauna for an hour and never sweated. He says it's like a very costly paperweight and it cost him like a hundred dollars to ship it back and he said you know the Relax Sauna works and of course some people will like the other saunas you know I've one lady said no I like I like my junky sauna but there when is night and day difference so you know it's just it's just I have learned in life that everything is good and and everything has its place and so you know I'm I'm into promoting far infrared ray energy I'm into promoting vibrational healing and and whatever all that all the more companies that come on the marketplace it gives credibility for the benefit of far infrared ray and then and then they just push us up higher where we become more credible and more and then more and more people find out about the Relax Sauna so that's sort of my approach toward it. (next in-audible question) yeah... I well... that, they, yeah... that, they won't like... yeah, all that... they won't like your body it's like basically...

there's a lady in Chicago she has 70 80 people with Lyme disease she has a protocol where she she puts people in the Relax Sauna on her for 20 to 30 minutes every four to six hours and she does this for about a week she lets him sleep for eight hours but the Lyme spirochete it procreates every six hours and so what would what has its babies or eggs are there and so if you do it every four hours you can kill them too and then if you do it long enough and she says she gets to increase the core temperature of the body to 104 and a half degrees and then all the symptoms all the Lyme spirochetes die and so this is her rendition of it.

I know other people have used you know the Relax Sauna with Lyme disease for you know three or four times you know every day or four or five days and after a year they don't have any symptoms one lady in in Ohio about an hour from Columbus got a sauna about seven eight years ago in two weeks later wrote me a letter saying she has her life back you know. She says I cannot believe my cellulite is all melting, my mind is clear for the first time. I cannot believe what a difference it makes and you know in two weeks you know having this to see again sometimes at the right moment that's when you get into something and then it performed we had one lady come to me the about four hours ago saying I got this sauna from you two and a half years ago and I just started using it three months ago and I love it. It has helped me so much so again it's it's just the way it is I guess. (pause for follow-up question) Well no she does it for twenty thirty minutes, every four hours. Yeah, so so not for four hours. As a matter of fact the only person I know who's gone more than four hours in the Relax Sauna is me and I did it about three four weeks ago. I would go in and out for five hours. I used fourteen towels, drank six quarts of water... (laughing) that's after I ate too much the night before. (audience question about ultra-violet lisht) I mean yes... yes. yes...

Ultraviolet light like I think about three to ten percent of the sun's energy is ultraviolet light. 40% is visible light and I think 50% is infrared which includes near mid and far. I think about 15% of that energy is far infrared ray energy or...

Does anyone else want... oh you're getting in good, okay yes okay yes yes okay well this is a brand new sauna and like sometimes you get a new car and there's a new car smell and it usually goes away in like an hour... it's a rarity, it's a rarity, it usually doesn't happen and people... there's no plastic in the sauna there's no vinyl it's made with nylon there's nylon in both sides and there's a batted layer of organic cotton in the middle I believe it's organic and then it's coated with a special kind of silver and so it's just silver and nylon and the same company that makes this for the Relax Sauna company makes the space suits for NASA. yeah, and it's a company in Taiwan and that's why it looks so sort of space-age that's silver real silver it's not aluminium. Yes that's that's that's to make it a mirror. Now far infrared goes through clothes so therefore it goes through the blue nylon it goes through the little bit of cotton and go and then hits the silver and then bounces... yeah on the bottom of the sauna yes, well it... yes it shines and hits like for example suppose it's one hundred and seventy nine point one hundred and seventy nine point nine degrees and so it's a little off, so it creates a little bit of an angle so it so at 186,000 miles a second that won't take more than half a second to be basically a light box and and and the light in the Relax Sauna because there's more far infrared ray is about eight to ten times brighter than any portable sauna, and about four times brighter than any wooden sauna. Now the wooden saunas don't reflect it and neither do... it yeah, yeah yes sure right haha yes yes yes right yes and how did that feel did you enjoy it? Yeah that's because the water's coming out of your body it's getting... yeah well, no not actually. What it is is this company is able to manufacture a semiconductor chip in a semiconductor chip according to the semiconductor chip mathematician that

I met at an extraordinary technology conference says it allows no wiggle room. So all the energy we filter out all the NIR and far infrared we filter out all the mid-infrared so that's pretty much about 98% pure far infrared and my belief of the 98% pure far inferred ray the more you have the humaneness because because the water cells pulsate okay.. water cells vibrate and generate far infrared at 8 microns humans vibrate far infrared energy at 9 point 4 microns. Now if I would shine a two micron light at you it would not have any effect on the water cells or your cells in the body but if I would do a 9 you know micron light at you it would resonate just like if you put your hands together like this you can feel a pulsating and then and that's what happens you can feel the pulsating so the stronger you have of the far infrared and the more you have of it this is 1400 watts of 98% pure far infrared ray that's fourteen hundred and seventy watts of far infrared ray energy now you compare that to a 1000 watt portable sauna that has 36% because they got carbon panels or you take one of the tourmaline saunas that degenerate about 18% and so the tourmaline sauna would maybe have 180 watts of far infrared and the carbon one would have 360 watts and this has fourteen hundred and seventy watts. The mirror the sauna tent acts as a mirror so there's no panels to generate any EMF you well there's no absolutely no EMF because there's no electricity and that's above the caps above the calves there's no electricity now you do have the panel's you do have the radiators there and that's about one-sixth of the amount of a Vitamix blender or a green power juicer yes yes sure yes well again you know like have you ever used an electric massager like we used to sell double head massages and people love it there's a tiny little bit of EMF but the pleasure the massage tool does for getting rid of the stress is 20 times the little bit of negativity caused by the electrical energy so the same thing with a sauna. This is actually far infrared ray energy antidotes... it antidotes EMF that means if you are sick like dr. Sherri Rogers patients and have been exposed to cellphones and Wi-Fi and in smart meters and towers and...